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How Important are Views on Eschatology?

Are there any risks to followers of Christ for having one particular view over another?

Article started by Andeé Sea Cae Jak on January 21, 2023 (last revision: 20230405 09:40 e.s.t.)

(202307xx 15:00 e.s.t.) This debate began as a “Dear Andeé column to record a “Pre-tribulation Rapture” exchange; but, it proved to difficult to follow/record/complete/share so I thought I’d try a Twitter Space + strategy.

The four views to be presented are: a, b, c & d

Structure: 1-min intro to each presenter || 2-min statement on opening position for each || 10-mins to present scripture-supported position for each || 10-mins to rebut any position of anyone else each || 5-mins to defend any rebuttals received + 2-min final position statement each.   >>  4 X 30 mins = 2 hrs followed by open Q&A for anyone around.

Questions can be sent in advance to ?each participant? or me directly via DM or to dmoore@pfi.rocks with Title “Question for 20230410 T-Space debate“.

Deirdre Moore / Andeé Jak

Introducing Ryan Mills: I’m finishing my diploma in business administration, North Cacalackey, USA. I’ve been saved in Christ since age of 15~16 and enjoy writing, linguistics & pondering. My favourite movie is either Princess Mononoke or Shin Godzilla. See more of Ryan’s introduction as well as a copy of his position in a pdf summary of all debate materials viewable here.

Pre-trib Rapture

Credit: www.slideserve.com/dewitt/the-tribulation

I use the authorized King James version of the bible & my favourite pastor is Gene Kim (insert > “Infested with Idols”) although there are some pretty good materials from Mike Veach on the last Call YouTube channel, especially his on the millennial reign and the Bride of Christ. During my sophomore year, I (indirectly) preached to my entire high school: I pray the Lord can use me again like that someday.”

Opening Position: There is a Pre-tribulation Rapture (“PTR”), and I can prove it. A Christian cannot lose their salvation, the Mark of the beast would suggest otherwise, so Christians cannot live during the tribulation.

Top 10 Arguments made by Ryan

  1. Once Christians are “saved” by JC’s blood having eternal security (ie. the devil can’t steal your salvation) by believing on his sacrifice then they are always saved. This is known as OSAS. This supports a PTR view because the mark of the Beast is eternal damnation.” (20230401)
  2. The Mark of the Beast is future event. This supports a PTR view because the Antichrist must first reign 3.5 years then be slain and resurrected before the mark is instated and when has a world government mandated a mark to be put inside of everyone’s right hand or forehead before? (Rev 11:2 Rev 13:3-18)
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Complete set of Ryan’s scripture-supported arguments are here.

Questions FOR Ryan

  1. Deirdre Moore asks “Are there any risks to followers of Christ who expect a PTR? Answer: (insert answer with links to resources.)
  2. Brother George Middleton asks “Don’t you think that OSAS is dangerous theology and should always be avoided because free will (ie. having a choice) defeats this theology with John 3:16 -21?
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Questions FROM Ryan to those who do not share his view

  1. Why would Ezekiel dedicate eight, whole in-depth chapters with so much detail for something that would just be a metaphor, an allegory?
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Other resources that Ryan recommends

  1. An authorized King James Bible
  2. Charles Larkin’s Charts
  3. Ruckman or Scofield’s reference Bible 4
  4. Foxes book of martyrs
  5. Dispensationalism before Darby
  6. Third Adam documentary
  7. Gene Kim’s YouTube
  8. Last Call’s YouTube
  9. Chick Tracts Official Youtube Channel
  10. Sam Gipp’s Youtube Channel

Others Twitter accounts who share Ryan’s views on eschatology

  1. Name @al_hansel87
  2. Name @bigmadredhatter
  3. Name @BroSpencer
  4. Name @ChristIsComing5
  5. Name @DavidWHarrison1
  6. Name @GEEKTech2010
  7. Name @KirkRessler
  8. Dave @KJVliteracy
  9. Name @kjvnate
  10. Name @stephen72916029
  11. Name @TrustJesusAlone
  12. Name @WandererKhobel
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Introducing FName LName: (insert brief bio ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………)

Position #3

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Complete set of FName #3’s scripture-supported arguments are here.

Questions for FName #3

  1. Deirdre Moore Are there any risks to followers of Christ expecting Position #3? Answer: (insert answer with links to resources.)
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Others Twitter accounts who share FName #3’s views on eschatology

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Introducing Wynona Fox: (insert brief bio ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..)

Post-Millennial

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Top 10 Arguments made by Wynona

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Complete set of Wynona’s scripture-supported arguments are here.

Questions for Wynona

  1. Deirdre Moore
  2.  Are there any risks to followers of Christ who believe that Satan has already been “loosed a little season”? Answer: (insert answer with links to resources.)
  3. Ryan Mills asks: Do you think that Tartaria evidences the Millennial Kingdom? If so, why?
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Other resources that Wynona recommends

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  3. IT IS WRITTEN: Understanding the Millennial Kingdom (p 1-21) & (p 22-42) and their YouTube channel Toadhouse7 Homestead
  4. 35-minute video by YouTuber Godrules 2 – Sons of Thunder: Tony’s website with a forum coming soon: GodRules
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Others Twitter accounts who share Wynona’s views on eschatology

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Introducing FName LName: (insert brief bio ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………)

Position #4

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Complete set of FName #4’s scripture-supported arguments are here.

Questions for FName #4

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Others Twitter accounts who share FName #4’s views on eschatology

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