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Scripture* used to support the doctrine known as

“Once Save Always Saved”

Project started 20251209 and last updated 20251229 at 11:27

There are endless debates within the “Christian” community which, like all communities, consists of genuine opposition as well as malevolent disrupters who have been “inserted” to prevent people from […]. One of these debates involves whether or not salvation can be “reversed” vs. a gift of salvation which is unconditional. Listed below in the left column is the Scripture that was provided to support a “Once Saved Always Saved” (“OSAS“) view which believes that salvation is unconditional. The column on the right contains my comments/questions and scripture that arguably refutes the OSAS view.

Scripture (KJV)

Comment/Question

• Numbers 23:19  19God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

Yes, actually. He has changed his mind.

Nahum 1:1-15 ends with Nineveh being “utterly cut off”. This, after the city being “saved” (see Jonah 3:10: “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not).

Numbers 23:19 is extracted from a 96-verse account of how and why Jacob/Israel will not be “un-blessed” (that is, cursed) simply because this is the desire of Balak.

• Psalms 136: 1-26  1O give thanks unto the LORD; for he is good: for his mercy endureth for ever. 2O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever. 3O give thanks to the Lord of lords: for his mercy endureth for ever. 4To him who alone doeth great wonders: for his mercy endureth for ever. 5To him that by wisdom made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever. 6To him that stretched out the earth above the waters: for his mercy endureth for ever. 7To him that made great lights: for his mercy endureth for ever: 8The sun to rule by day: for his mercy endureth for ever: 9The moon and stars to rule by night: for his mercy endureth for ever. 10To him that smote Egypt in their firstborn: for his mercy endureth for ever: 11And brought out Israel from among them: for his mercy endureth for ever: 12With a strong hand, and with a stretched out arm: for his mercy endureth for ever. 13To him which divided the Red sea into parts: for his mercy endureth for ever: 14And made Israel to pass through the midst of it: for his mercy endureth for ever: 15But overthrew Pharaoh and his host in the Red sea: for his mercy endureth for ever. 16To him which led his people through the wilderness: for his mercy endureth for ever. 17To him which smote great kings: for his mercy endureth for ever: 18And slew famous kings: for his mercy endureth for ever: 19Sihon king of the Amorites: for his mercy endureth for ever: 20And Og the king of Bashan: for his mercy endureth for ever: 21And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever: 22Even an heritage unto Israel his servant: for his mercy endureth for ever. 23Who remembered us in our low estate: for his mercy endureth for ever: 24And hath redeemed us from our enemies: for his mercy endureth for ever. 25Who giveth food to all flesh: for his mercy endureth for ever. 26O give thanks unto the God of heaven: for his mercy endureth for ever.

Question: is “mercy” unconditional? See OT’s Jonah 2:8 below regarding how one can “forsake their own mercy” via lying vanities.

• Psalms 37:28  28For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.

Except, Psalms 37:27 suggests “good works” is required >> 27Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.

This suggestion continues in Psalms 37:29 >> 29The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

• Ecclesiastes 3:14  14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

I agree that this verse “speaks to His omnipotence and the futility of human attempts to alter His divine will” (see study notes provided by BibleHub at https://biblehub.com/study/ecclesiastes/3-14.htm). I don’t think it has anything to do with OSAS.

• Isaiah 49:15  15Can a woman forget her sucking child, that she should not have compassion on the son of her womb? yea, they may forget, yet will I not forget thee.

 This verse provides comfort that one will not be forgotten. It does not address whether or not mercy can be foresaken.

• Isaiah 53:06  6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

I would agree with BibleHub’s commentary that this phrase underscores the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy and the redemptive plan of God through Jesus, as also seen in 1 Peter 2:24, which speaks of Christ bearing our sins in His body on the cross.

• Jeremiah 32:17  17Ah Lord GOD! behold, thou hast made the heaven and the earth by thy great power and stretched out arm, and there is nothing too hard for thee:

This verse has been extracted from a 9-verse prayer that includes a rebuttal to the OSAS doctrine; including, Jeremiah 32:22-23  22And hast given them this land, which thou didst swear to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey; 23And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:

• Jeremiah 32:40  40And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

This verse contains two words vital for comprehension:

• covenant (that is, contract: https://www.etymonline.com/word/covenant)
• shall (that is, must: https://www.etymonline.com/word/shall)

See details at https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/jer/32/40/t_conc_777040

Jonah 2:8 > NOTICEABLY ABSENT >>>

Jonah 2:8  8They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

Doesn’t OSAS doctrine qualify as a “lying vanity”?

• Matthew 28:18-19  

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• Luke 1:37  

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• Luke 19:10  

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• John 1:12-13  

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• John 3:16  

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• John 3:18  

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• John 3:36  

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• John 4:14  

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• John 5:24  

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• John 6:35-40  

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• John 6:44-47  

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• John 6:51  

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• John 10:11-14  

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• John 10:26-29**   26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 

Important is the inclusion of the phrase “they follow me“. It’s a contract: they follow me and I shall provide eternal life.

That no man shall “pluck” addresses neither:

a) the work of Satan or

b) a free-will abandonment.

(insert link to lamp-oil parable: “I never knew you”)

• John 11:26  

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John 14:15 > NOTICABLY ABSENT >>>

John 14:15  15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

• John 14:16-17  16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Good grief, this Scripture selected starts with the conjunction AND! Removing John 14:15 from the quote changes the entire meaning of John 14:16-17!

This excerpt clearly represents only the second half of the “contract”.

• John 14:23  

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John 15:10-12 > NOTICABLY ABSENT >>>

What about John 15:10-12? 10If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. 11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

• John 17:9-12  

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• John 17:15  

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• John 17:24  

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• Acts 16:31 

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• Romans 1:7  

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• Romans 3:24  

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• Romans 4:5  

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• Romans 5:9  

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• Romans 5:11  

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• Romans 5:18-19  

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• Romans 6:2-5  

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• Romans 6:9-10  

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• Romans 6:23  

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• Romans 8:12  

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• Romans 8:28-31**  28And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. 31What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

How does this support OSAS?

“… all things work together for good to them that love God …”; however, love is not defined in this section. It is defined elsewhere (ie. “if you love me, you will keep my commandments” of 

• Romans 8:35-39  

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• Romans 11:6  6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Salvation by grace, not works: this tenet is being used to support the OSAS doctrine that salvation cannot be forsaken; however, nothing in this chapter supports that concept. In fact, the opposite is stated (see Romans 11:22-23 below).

Romans 11:22-23 NOTICEABLY ABSENT >>>

• Romans 11:22-23    22Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

• 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 

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• 1 Corinthians 6:11  

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• 1 Corinthians 6:19-20  

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• 1 Corinthians 7:22-24  

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• 1 Corinthians 11:31-32  

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• 1 Corinthians 15:23  

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• 1 Corinthians 15:49-52  

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• 1 Corinthians 15:57  

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• 2 Corinthians 2:13  

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• 2 Corinthians 3:3  

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• 2 Corinthians 5:17-18  

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• 2 Corinthians 5:20  

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• 2 Corinthians 6:16  

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• Galatians 2:20  

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• Galatians 3:13  

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• Galatians 4:7  

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• Ephesians 1:5-7  

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• Ephesians 1:11-13  

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• Ephesians 2:4-9  

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• Ephesians 2:13  

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• Ephesians 3:9  

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• Ephesians 4:24  

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• Ephesians 4:30  

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• Philippians 1:6  

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• Colossians 1:22  

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• Colossians 2:10  

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• Colossians 2:12  

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• Colossians 3:3-4  

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• 1 Thessalonians 1:10  

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• 1 Thessalonians 5:9-10  

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• 1 Thessalonians 5:23  

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• 2 Timothy 1:12  

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• 2 Timothy 2:3  

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• 2 Timothy 4:18  

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• Titus 1:2  

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• Titus 3:5  

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• Hebrews 4:10  

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• Hebrews 5:9  

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Hebrews 6: 4-6 > NOTICABLY ABSENT >>>

WOW!! Hebrews 6:4-6 was completely ignored.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

• Hebrews 7:25  

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• Hebrews 9:12 

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• Hebrews 10:10  

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• Hebrews 10:14-17  

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• Hebrews 10:38-39  

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• Hebrews 12:02  

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• James 1-5 NOTABLY ABSENT >>>

Omigosh! The warnings provided by James, Jesus’ half-brother, could not be more clear!! See KJV’s five chapters stored linked to https://twb.rocks/living/spirit/bible/james.

Well, that’s my opinion. An opposing view is being published at https://twb.rocks/living/spirit/bible/james/jms-opposing-view-01.

• 1 Peter 1:3-5  

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• 1 Peter 1:23  

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• 2 Peter 1:18:19  

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• 1 John 2:19 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

This verse describes behavior of those who are anti-Christ and does not support an OSAS doctrine. In fact, 1 John 2 seems to counter OSAS at verses 24-25:

24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father. 25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life. 26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 

• 1 John 2:28  28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.

“Abide” = remain (G3306) 

Also, the Scripture continues … 29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

• 1 John 3:2  

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• 1 John 3:20  

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• 1 John 5:4  4For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

It seems to me that verses 1 John 5:1-3 are required for the proper interpretation of 1 John 5:4:

1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

The requirement that we “keep his commandments” suggests that there are consequences if we do not. (link to 10C article) 

• 1 John 2:10-11  

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• Jude 1:24  ²⁴Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,  

“… that is able to keep you from falling” suggests that He can keep us from falling; not that He must. Afterall, we do have free will.

Furthermore, the entire Epistle of Jude (stored at https://twb.rocks/living/spirit/bible/jude/jde_1-25) is a stark warning: plucking out verse 24 from the other 25 verses seems perfidious. Technically, it qualifies as a massive logical fallacy/literary device violation known as “cherry-picking”(see formal fallacy A-6 and more on literary devices used to influence/persuade at https://twb.rocks/living/spirit/logical-fallacies.